{"id":83,"date":"2016-08-12T15:00:24","date_gmt":"2016-08-12T20:00:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/1letter.adadaa.com\/?p=83"},"modified":"2016-08-12T15:00:24","modified_gmt":"2016-08-12T20:00:24","slug":"desjardins-disnat-review","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/adadaa.net\/1letter\/2016\/08\/12\/desjardins-disnat-review\/","title":{"rendered":"Desjardins and Disnat – Don’t even think about it"},"content":{"rendered":"
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There are tons of issues with Disnat. Yet, I was like, “they will improve”. So what triggered me to exit Desjardin’s Disnat? Instead of explaining, let me post the emails:<\/p>\n

Dear Supervisor,<\/p>\n

I have sent tickets & talked to your support personnel. On June 22,
\n2016 there were consecutive board lots sold lower than 4.58. At
\nleast that’s what DDXtra showed me. Please see the attached
\nscreenshot<\/a>. I sent this to your support personnel and they replied
\nsaying it wasn’t the case. In DDXtra it was showing 200 lots &
\nanother 4200 lots consecutively. And I took this screenshot on June
\n30, many days after June 22. So either DDXtra is wrong or your
\nDDClassic- the web version your support personnel used to say it
\nwasn’t the case – is wrong.<\/p>\n

In any case, DDXtra become not trust worthy. So I would like to get
\nmy money back, if my stock would have been sold at 4.58 – even
\nthough it went higher later in the day and high again on June 23.
\nThat would be US $302.61<\/p>\n

Otherwise, you leave me no choice but to transfer my trading account
\nand my Caisse accounts to another financial institution. There are
\nmany other bugs in your system – e.g. some stocks doesn’t trade
\nuntil I submit a ticket, but what made me mad this time, that even
\nthough I sent screenshots your support personnel kept on denying
\nuntil it is more than 15 days old and now the DDXtra doesn’t show
\nthe June 22 chart.<\/p>\n

I will look forward to your reply.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

And their reply was<\/p>\n

Good day,<\/p>\n

Kindly note that the findings of the investigation indicated, as explained in the June 23rd email we sent to you,\u00a0 that the order you placed could only have been triggered on the 23rd of June. Hence the activity you are referring to on the 22nd may have been erroneous. If this is the case, DisnatDirect cannot be held accountable for what could be considered erroneus information.<\/p>\n

As previously stated, the activity for the 22nd of June does not show consecutive\/board lot trades for this security.\u00a0 In light of this situation, we are not willing to refund any portion of losses you may have absorbed because the trade was properly executed and our system worked as designed.\u00a0 If you would like to file a complaint, simply register the latter with our compliance department.\u00a0\u00a0 You can send an email to info@disnatdirect.com and we will forward this to the persons responsible for handling said matters.\u00a0\u00a0 Or you can consult our Handling of complaints section of the relationship disclosure document (https:\/\/www.disnat.com\/en\/client-service\/forms\/Disnat_reglementaire_DX99_web), section 2.3, for more information.<\/p>\n

Thank you for your understanding.<\/p>\n

The Disnat team<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Now you know why I decided to get the hell out of Disnat. I want the money I lost due to Desjardin’s Disnat’s wrong data on their Active Trader Platform US $302.61<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

So what triggered my blog post? Instead of explaining, let me post the emails:<\/p>\n

I sent an email on Aug 2, 2016 at 12:58 PM<\/p>\n

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Hi Disnat Supervisor\/ Director,<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

I see there was a charge of $10.00 for “REQUEST OF CHEQUE” on my July statement.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

Please refund me the amount, as I’m dissatisfied with your service and that’s why I’m closing the account.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

And the Disnat replied on Aug 2, 2016 at 2:26 PM<\/p>\n

Good day,<\/span><\/p>\n

We regret to inform you that we will not be refund the $10 cheque withdrawal fee. The fee was charged as per our fee schedule, which is indicated on our website.<\/span><\/p>\n

If you require further information, please do not hesitate to contact our Client Service department at 1-866-873-7103. <\/span><\/p>\n

Sincerely,<\/span><\/p>\n

The Disnat team<\/span> <\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

So I replied on Aug 2, 2016 at 2:30 PM<\/strong><\/p>\n

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In the wake of you are not willing to refund me $10.00 for the “REQUEST OF CHEQUE”, you leave me no choice but to publicize my troubled dealings with Desjardins.<\/span><\/div>\n

<\/span> I’ll post all my findings and proofs in my blog
\n<\/span> http:\/\/adadaa.net\/1letter\/<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

<\/span> And I will share in social media, and google AdWords.<\/span><\/p>\n

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Subject\/title will be “Desjardins and Disnat – don’t even think about it”<\/span><\/div>\n

<\/span> <\/span>
\nAnil,
\nPlease pass this email to Charls and whomever it concerns. <\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n

I have sent an email to Disnat notifying of my blog post on Aug 13, 2016 at 10:09 AM<\/strong>. I have not received any reply so far. It was surprising to me that Disnat weighed to lose reputation online and social media over refunding the mere $10, even though I said I’ll publish all the issues with proofs.<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

I have sent the following email to Desjardins investment product Disnat's support team supervisor, and my Caisse account manager on July 17, 2016.
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So after posting this and sending it to bunch of people [listed at the bottom of this post], someone from Desjardins customer service called. She said the Director has been changed [good for Disnat + Desjardins]. So they are making some radical changes and fixing things. Anyhow, she said they are abolishing the policy of $10 fee to send cheque. So I’ll be getting my US $10 in another cheque soon. \ud83d\ude09
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To Whomever It Concerns,<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

Please prepare to transfer my Caisse account and Disnat DDXtra accounts to another financial institution, as I’m greatly disappointed by the accuracy and performance of DDXtra.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n

You can see my full conversation with DDXtra that triggered in the below email chain. In short, I am disappointed for the following reasons.<\/p>\n

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  1. Even though I had a screenshot of DDxtra, which I took 8 days after trading to prove there was 3 trading happened on the June 22, the Disnat personnel kept on denying. It was one of them 200 board lots and another 4200 board lots. Since the data was there on DDXtra even after 8 days, shows that there is no doubt that the trading wasn’t settled. DDXtra supervisor said it “may have been erroneous” and “DisnatDirect cannot be held accountable for what could be considered erroneous information”. What good an “active trader” platform, when the data is “erroneous” even after many days?<\/li>\n
  2. New equities don’t start trading on DDXtra even when it is on RBC. Support says those stocks were not supported by DDXtra, and to the surprise, next day after I complained, it starts trading!<\/li>\n
  3. When I signed up, Disnat site https:\/\/www.disnat.com\/en\/trading-platforms<\/a> had DDPlus will get “Access to DDQUOTES”. When I asked for access they said, they no longer provide access to DDPlus customers – I was DDPlus customer at that time –\u00a0 and they forgot to remove that from the website. After I stressed, they said, they make an exception and give access to me. Yet to this date, the website shows DDPLUS & DDXtra & DDWeb customers will get “Access to DDQUOTES”.<\/li>\n
  4. Sometimes, I noticed the Open price of an equity is way off. I had to refer to my RBC and submit a ticket for them to fix it.<\/li>\n
  5. One time, my Buy executed higher than the Day’s High. And the stock didn’t reach to my executed price for the next 10 mins. I’m not sure who is getting the profit here!<\/li>\n
  6. Orders got rejected because of a bug that it required 9% more fund than what’s currently trading. After I submit bug report, they fixed it.<\/li>\n
  7. I did a currency conversion from US to CA with Disnat support personnel on the phone to cover my fee and got confirmation number. The next day it said I still owe $1. When I called they said, the currency changed by the time the staff entered the order and submitted, yet I still have to pay the $1. After I fight with them that it is their staff did the transaction, they generously agreed to waive that!<\/li>\n
  8. On your website it says, I will get “Canadian market depth (Level 1\u00be)” with DDXtra. When I called the support, they kept on saying it is not given for DDXtra. After so many phone calls & fights, they finally figured it out how to show it to me.<\/li>\n
  9. STOP orders can only be set during normal market hours. LIMIT must be exactly same [not even lower] as the STOP. So if the price jumped you are stuck!<\/li>\n
  10. After opening a Margin account, I had to request to allow SHORT orders. And repeatedly 3 separate days DDXtra rejected and I had to submit tickets before I was allowed to SHORT again.<\/li>\n
  11. And last but not least, access to http:\/\/www.stockscores.com\/<\/a> is revoked<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    As you can see, I had to fight to get even the basic functionalities that I signed up for. And on top of it, the platform is inaccurate and buggy. For each one of the items mentioned above, I had submitted tickets with screenshots, so I can send it to you if you insist.<\/p>\n

    So for all these reasons and other petite reasons that I haven’t mentioned here, I would like to transfer out of Desjardin. I will let you know which financial institution soon.<\/p>\n

    I have sent the link to my blog post to email addresses found on the following sites:<\/code><\/p>\n

    [Aug 17, 2016]<\/p>\n

    https:\/\/www.disnat.com\/en\/client-service\/forms\/Disnat_reglementaire_DX99_web<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    [Aug 19, 2016]<\/p>\n

    Financial Consumer Agency of Canada’s Inquiries and Complaints<\/a><\/p>\n

    https:\/\/www.desjardins.com\/ca\/privacy\/desjardins-trust\/<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    [Aug 23, 2016]<\/p>\n

    https:\/\/www.disnat.com\/en\/client-service\/contact-us<\/p>\n

    Ontario Securities Commission’s Complaint, Tip & Inquiry<\/a>
    \n[Found in     Contact Us<\/a> page]<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    [Aug 25, 2016]<\/p>\n

    Ombudsman for Banking Services and Investments<\/a><\/p>\n

    IIROC’s Customer Online Complaint Form<\/a><\/p>\n

    radek.loudin@vmd.desjardins.com<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    [Sept 12, 2016]<\/p>\n

    http:\/\/www.osc.gov.on.ca\/en\/About_dealing-with-the-osc_index.htm<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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